Today I was thinking about sex, sexuality, making love, definitions of what is accepted in society, what is actually done in society...
Most people think that I am very sexually experienced.
Some people think that I have sexual experience.
Barely anyone thinks that I am as sexually inexperienced as I really am.
Why?
Is it because the preconceived notions that Americans are whores?
Most likely.
Is it because I am comfortable discussing issues relating to sex and sexuality?
Probably.
Is it because I am a sex crazed animal?
I doubt it.
I know a lot of people a lot more experienced than I am. Not a lot of people would believe it because they cover it up so well.
They act exactly how society would like them to act..
well, they do when people are looking that is.
In Egypt I have met more women who sleep with their boyfriends in return for a lot of nice, fun, expensive outings.
Are they whores?
Some yes, some no.
Do they fit the definition of prostitutes?
To me they do.
I guess it it more of a barter system. They satisfy the man's fantasies and sexual desire and in return the man takes them out and pays for everything...
I hate the fact that these women are probably looked upon in a more favorable light than I am in this society.
I hate that in this society I am labelled as a whore by more people than I can count because I am not as good at lying, being two faced, or whatever else you want to call it.
I hate the fact that men can say that they have slept with me because their ego could not deal with the fact that the "American whore" refused them.
I hate the fact that society is more inclined to believe them because they are men, and because I was raised abroad!
Just because I would salute the stars and stripes growing up does not mean that I will lay down with every man!!
On a semi-related topic... why is this country all about sex and virginity anyway?
Men are out trying to sleep with everything that walks upright all the time. Some women are doing the same.
These men will rarely ever marry a women who is not a virgin.
These women will deny anything and everything.
It is all about sex and virginity!
So, everybody cares about virginity. It is such a big deal here.
I do think that virginity is a big deal. Most likely for reasons completely different than the majority of the population.
Why do men care about virginity so much? I really do not get their reasonings. I have asked some of my close male friends before. None of their reasons ever made sense to me. It doesn't matter if they make sense to me or not..
but do they make sense to anyone?
Is it their fear of comparison?
Is it that they doubt their sexual ability to the point that they would want to make sure that the women in their lives are ignorant and oblivious?
I have heard that Egyptian men are selfish and are only concerned with themselves reaching orgasm. They could care less if the woman they are with enjoyed it or not.
I have heard from men that Egyptian women are really bad in bed also. That they scream and make a lot more noise than what they should. In other words, they are faking their enjoyment to please the man.
Why do women do that? Why do they accept that? Do these women not realize how degrading that should be?
So, if women are bad in bed.. and men are bad in bed... why does the whole country think about sex so much.
With the amount of thought that people put into sex and sexual issues you would think that at least they had a good reputation internationally.
So, if they are so horrible.. why do men gather around and talk about their latest conquests?Why do women question their newly married friends incessantly?
Is their nothing better to talk or think about?
If everybody is thinking about it, the majority are talking about it, and quite a few are doing it.. why is it not accepted in this society?
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Must be a very important topic to post in both of your blog sites :-)
no comments about it though otherwise you will send somebody to whack me here in the beautiful US :-))
I doubt I would agree with your comments, but you are more than willing to say whatever you want in a respectable manner...
;o)
Do that and you don't have to worry about anyone whacking you!
Comment disrespectably and you might have a thing or two to worry about..
It is on both blogs because it fits the profile of both. And the double standards of the society is an important topic.. well to me anyway.
double standards is a trait that is in all humans and not limited to societies...I agree with you that we are hypocritical as a society, but at least that shows that we still feel ashamed of something. our great religion says, "Alhaya2 sho3ba men aleman" meaning, feeling shy is one of the many virtues of faith", shyness could be a driver in limiting what people can do :-) i will always be respectful of you, that is because you know how I am and I will never change....however, I think we never talked and shared ideas like we are now and that tells you something about the greatness of god in determining our fate since we could have been married now and having a fist fight every day :-)))
Sherif,
I don't see that shame is stopping people from what they are doing. I see that the majority of people are doing all this and just hiding it from others.
Shame is just making them lie.
I don't know if we never shared ideas like this before. I think we did.
I do think we are lucky that things did not work out though.. because we do think very differently.
but don't you think it is better to have some shame and hide the bad things you do than to show them to people? Are you going to smoke in front of your kids? will you tell them smoking is bad, even though you do smoke? all humans are the same Nora.....Allah said i saw what you did last night and i protected and hid you from people and i will forgive you, so do not go, you human, and brag about your sins...of course this is a very bad translation but it gets the point across :-) i am sorry to bring up religion stuff here but even though like most Egyptians i am not very religious, i find most of my answers in religion :-) do you realize gays get married now here in the US, would you like to have them do the same in Masr and have your kids see that? of course i have to be politically correct on this forum and say that i respect gay people and gay rights :-) in case the blog is monitored ..LOL
i hope you dont hate the fact that i talk here but i do really love to read what you write ....
Sherif,
I am glad you like to read what I write.. and you're more than welcome to talk here.
Now, I would not smoke in front of my kids for health reasons. I would not subject them to second hand smoke. I would quit smoking before I told them not to smoke because it is bad for your health. I don't think my reasoning behind telling them not to smoke would ever be that it is wrong or bad. I would give them more of an explanation.
I think having shame and quitting the bad things that I do is good. Having shame and just lying about the bad things I do makes me a hypocrite. I am not saying anyone should go out and advertise theirs sins or wrong doings. I am not even saying thatthem having sex is wrong.
I disagree with them doing this nd then denying it and commenting on how sexually active girls are whores. I don't like their double standards and hypocracy.
I do not care if gays get married and my kids see that. I would care if one of those married gay men was talking about how gay marriage is wrong...
Now, if we are going to defend our actions by using religion I can only say that from a religious perspective it is wrong for anyone to judge another person.
In that case, all Egyptian men and women should do what they want and only fear judgement by their god. Society should not judge them at all!
you win Nora :-)
There's nothing wrong with shame-there is something very wrong, though with declaring x as 'bad' and then doing it in secrecy. In my opinion, "shame" in Egypt simply means covering the things you've done wrong...sweeping them under the rug. It becomes hypocrisy when you talk speak out openly against an act that you have partaken in, and cover with 'shame'.
Sherif,
hahahahahhaha!!
I win! I win!!
;oP
Cairogal:
I completely agree.. ;o)
with all due respect to you guys, we need to have the presence of more people here to determine who won :-) I still agree with what I said. CairoGal, I think you told me before that you are not Egyptian too like Nora, right? Well, let us bring in some Egyptian opinions....a random person that is 100% Egyptian and that Nora does not like :-) because then I think the opinions are going to change :-).......
Nora, forget about my last comment :-) i just read the replies on your same post on your other blog and I am shocked :) It is true they say birds with feather flock together right? :-) so it looks like i am the only weirdo in this group :)
Sherif:
Well, I think that more people feel the way I do. I just hope this proves to you that I know more about what is going on in this country and that actual state of the country.
I don't know if you are a weirdo or if you are just not honest with yourself.
I think that at times being in denial is easier than actually facing the fact that Egypt oculd be this way...
I have a feeling you are not gonna like what I think.. but that never stopped me from mentioning it before.
I think culture plays heavily into how 'shameful' acts are handled. Some cultures think airing your dirty laundry w/ regret and honesty (not flaunting) is dignified and courageous. Other cultures think talking about the 'shameful' acts is the worst thing you can do to yourself and your family. Personally, I think the judgement of those around us should be the last thing on our minds when we commit something that is deemed shameful.
Cairogal:
That is an interesting perspective on it.
I never thought about it in that sense...
I agree with you on the judgement of people being the last thing on our minds when we do something deemed shameful... I would have bigger issues than what my neighbors think of me! ;o)
I still don't agree with you :-) I agree with CairoGal about her analysis though...and I agree with your personal opinion but when I hide something that I did wrong it is because I am ashamed of MYSELF and not because of what people will think...When a Girl looses her virginity (going back to the original subject) she is ashamed of herself because she knows what she did is forbidden by all religions (not just Islamic one which some people thing is archaic) and it is hated by the culture (even the real American culture for example)and it is a shame to her family (that I cannot explain :-), but to me it is a shame that my daughter would do that).....so that is why she hides it, not because of what people would think.... when somebody smokes marijuana or cigarettes or drink, subconsciously they know they are bad habits and that is why they do not brag about it...I don't think any woman who lost her virginity will encourage her daughter to do so for the sake of not being hypocritical????? am I correct? I am sure I still did not win Nora since you will give me a convincing reply to this post :-))
If my daughter lost her virginity, I would still want her to feel she could tell me, so that we could address, if nothing else, the physical aspects of doing so (getting her to a doctor and such). I would also want, as a parent, the opportunity to discuss w/ her this decision. I might learn something about myself as a parent.
The problem with hiding shame in a case like this, is that your daughter might really need your help (medically or otherwise), and you've created an environment of "Don't ask, don't tell" when it comes to shameful acts.
I give up !!!! :-) culture gap is too wide to keep trying :)
you answered the question about after her losing her virginity, how about before it?? in my post I talked about talking her into not losing it, by telling her that it is wrong (and giving her the health and physical reasons, etc...) that was my point...i would rather my daughter not telling me....if your daughter lost her virginity at an age that she cannot even go to a doctor on her own, don't you think that would really reflect how a failure of a parent you were in the first place ???? that is what i would feel and i would hope she would not tell me because that is not only a shame on her, but a shame on me.....
"in my post I talked about talking her into not losing it, by telling her that it is wrong (and giving her the health and physical reasons, etc...) that was my point...i would rather my daughter not telling me....if your daughter lost her virginity at an age that she cannot even go to a doctor on her own, don't you think that would really reflect how a failure of a parent you were in the first place ????"
Absolutely-if I felt I had failed my child, I would, as I stated, want to know. I would want her to feel comfortable enough to talk about it. I would hope that I could learn something as a parent.
"that is what i would feel and i would hope she would not tell me because that is not only a shame on her, but a shame on me....."
So no one learns from her err of judgement? No one talks about it? You don't want to know what you did or didn't say or do? Whether it's premarital sex or something else, by not talking about it, you're paving the road for the next child to 'shame' you in a similar manner. It defies logic, Sherif. It's not a culture gap. Here's the reality: Egyptian boys and girls are having sex, and though it's not as common as in the US, it's happening. Girls in veils or without veils go and park w/ their boyfriends. Perhaps they 'study' together. The cultural difference here is likely how a parent approaches (or doesn't approach) the issue of premarital sex. Rather than just hiding from the shame you feel a child's actions can bring you, why wouldn't you want to address why they deviated from the path you set? It's a very defeatist attitude-one that shows very little in the way of personal growth and development as a parent, and no willingness to learn from 'mistakes'.
Cairogal:
I completely agree with your comments. I think that is the kind of attitude a parent should have when raising their children. If all people thought that way I think childrenwould be more capable of making the right decisions and being less hypocritical....
Sherif:
when I hide something that I did wrong it is because I am ashamed of MYSELF and not because of what people will think...
What about the people in Egypt who hide what they have done but they are not ashamed of themselves? Why are they forced to hide it? How come if they do not hide it people will judge them and talk about them?
When a Girl looses her virginity she is ashamed of herself because she knows what she did is forbidden by all religions (not just Islamic one which some people thing is archaic) and it is hated by the culture (even the real American culture for example)and it is a shame to her family (that I cannot explain :-), but to me it is a shame that my daughter would do that).....so that is why she hides it, not because of what people would think....
Hiding it because it is not accepted by her family or her culture means that she isa fraid of what people think. If she is ashamed because pre-marital sex is forbidden by religion then she would not need to hide it, she would need to repent.
This does not explain why girls are having sex and hiding it...
It also does not explain why guys are having sex and not hiding it.
when somebody smokes marijuana or cigarettes or drink, subconsciously they know they are bad habits and that is why they do not brag about it...
But do they lie and hide it like a girl does in this country if she is sexually active?
I don't think any woman who lost her virginity will encourage her daughter to do so for the sake of not being hypocritical????? am I correct?
I do not think that anyone should encourage anyone to lose their virginity. This mother would not be hypocritical if she were to teach her daughter why it would be better to wait. This mother would be hypocritical if she told her daughter that any non-virgin is a whore.
Sherif:
if your daughter lost her virginity at an age that she cannot even go to a doctor on her own, don't you think that would really reflect how a failure of a parent you were in the first place ???
Ok, you failed as a parent once.. do you really want to fail again? What if she needs help? What if she does need to go to a doctor?
You will keep failing over and over by creating this "hide it and we are fine" kind of attitude.
I personally do hope that everybody remains a virgin until marriage.. but if my child did not.. I doubt I will help anything by not knowing how to be a parent and protect them....
What would you do if you knew your son was sexually active?
"What about the people in Egypt who hide what they have done but they are not ashamed of themselves? Why are they forced to hide it? How come if they do not hide it people will judge them and talk about them?"
What are you trying to achieve here? you want people to be more open about what they do? why? don't you judge people? you told us stories about being harassed in the street and in your car and inside your building by how many "bad egyptian guys"? 10? 50? 100 guys?, you know what you did? you judged all Egyptians and called them names in your past posts because of these psychos....
you and your friends made a decision that all Egyptian men are bad in bed because of whatever reasons you have (sound to me that opinions are made from experience) so tell me, how many people did your friend hear were bad in bed? 500? 1000 guys? you still issued your judgement about the 60,000,000 other ones :-))) do you get my point? PEOPLE JUDGE, this is a human trait.....after 9/11, all Muslims were judged because of 20,000? 100,000 terrorist??? guess what? the "civilized world" judged over a billion people for that :)))
on a different note, my kids are not guinea pigs. I will not learn how to teach them how to protect the sanctuary of their bodies by using the oldest one to experiment. I agree that many Egyptian women are "bad" and "artificial" virgins, but guess what? some other ones got the right advice from their parents and learned about their religion...If that is done correctly, I am sure I will not need to learn on her how to be a mother......
"Hiding it because it is not accepted by her family or her culture means that she isa fraid of what people think. If she is ashamed because pre-marital sex is forbidden by religion then she would not need to hide it, she would need to repent.
This does not explain why girls are having sex and hiding it...
It also does not explain why guys are having sex and not hiding it."
Why not repent and hide it??
Our culture is based on our religion, same way as the American culture who is based on the Christian faith (president has to be a Christian, xmas holidays, sat and sun are the weekends)
Allah knows that we sin, and all he asked us to do is repent and not make it public that we sinned....i agree with you that guys don't hide having sex, does that make them right? NO. but at least girls are better and they did not reach that low level of disobedience of Allah's words and respect for the family and themselves.
"But do they lie and hide it like a girl does in this country if she is sexually active?"
yes they do. i did not meet anybody who is proud of being a coke head or drug addict yet :-) did you??
I met women who are proud of "their number" on the other hand.....do you think they are whores? or just sexually active and not hiding it??
What would you do if you knew your son was sexually active?
I would buy him condoms!!!
What would an American parent do if they found that out about their son?
Sherif,
You are getting bitter with the comments.. why are you frustrated? If commenting bothers you just admit your defeat and we can stop . ;o)
Your question about me judging the bad Egyptian guys made me realize that society will not judge them and they will not suffer bad reputations for doing that.
They are allowed to violate me and my body and society will not judge them. On the other hand, if I decide to be sexually active society will judge me. In both cases it is my body.. when the man decides to violate it it society tells me ma3lish. When I make a decision concerning my body, society calls me a whore!
That is not fair.
Now, a man will not have to lie, scheme, have operaations in secret places to avoid admitting that he harrassed me.
I see that these two issues are not comparable!
You do understand that there is a difference between stating facts or opinions and judging someone according to these facts and opinions right...?
I think that even though people judge each other, this does not mean it is right.
Just because America judged muslims to be terrorists does not mean that judging people is right.
You cannot validate Egyptian society judging people by saying that Americans do it too.. because in my opinion both are wrong.
ABout people repenting and hiding their bad deeds. That is great.. I hope everybody can do that. Now, do you think this girl would be a whore?
Sherif, please understand that I am not pushing people to have sex, or to go around tellig everybody that she is sexually active. I am talking about how people will judge her if they find out that she is not a virgin.
Why would your reaction be different if you found out your daughter was sexually active from if you found out your son was sexually active?
I think an American parent would do the same thing if they found out that their son or daughter was sexually active.
Why are you so intent on comparing the 2 societies?
"They are allowed to violate me and my body and society will not judge them. On the other hand, if I decide to be sexually active society will judge me. In both cases it is my body.. when the man decides to violate it it society tells me ma3lish. When I make a decision concerning my body, society calls me a whore!
That is not fair."
violate you? who talked about violating you here ?? :-) I guess you are the one who is starting to lose :)))
well, nobody gets violated unless they gave a reason to be violated....i know I will get a lot of heat because of this sentence, but what I can I do.... if you go live in afghanistan, you should do what afghanis do...if you live in Europe, you should do what europeans do...I am a muslim, i did not grow a beard or ask my wife to be veiled because i live here and our religion said that we should blend in and be able to adapt to any societies as long as we are still protecting our values...if you live in Egypt and live like a "free" woman who get home whenever she wants, you will get the Egyptian scum that are stupid enough to think you are a whore....if you wear revealing cloth, you will have the dirt of the society thinking you are a whore...if you are in your car blasting the music and dancing with it in an "old fashioned society" like ours, you will make every ignorant person think you are an easy prey.....you are 1000% right....there are so many stupid asses in egypt who dont know what to do with their dicks, and there are people like me and million others who respect women, their bodies, and their brains (I think we had a very respectable relationship :)) but all I am trying to say is "for every action there is a reaction" (physics 101 :)) I am not saying you are acting like a whore, I am saying you must have given them the vibe that you can be followed and that they can get away with it....i never followed anybody in the street and neither did my friends and families and we are 100% Egyptians...I am not upset with your opinions or comments, all I am saying is be fair and objective.....Women in the US and Europe (most civilized nations, right?) are treated as a way to see merchandise or a commercial tool to lure buyers....at least we are not doing that :))) Again, decent egyptians (and there are a lot of them) respect women and ARE GOOD IN BED :)))) so may be next time precede your writings with "some of" or "a percentage of Egyptians" or whatever that does not make people think we are a society of animals and preys and all we think about are our dicks.....Egyptians (90% of them) think about how to put bread on their tables first......give us some credit....
wow, i feel like Al Sharpton now :)))
waiting for the heat from anybody who will read this and also waiting for offers to be a civil right activist if anybody has the power to offer me that............
"What would you do if you knew your son was sexually active?
I would buy him condoms!!!"
Wow...so, if you found out that your son was having sex (which you wouldn't want to know, right? because that brings shame upon your as a failed parent), what would you do if you found your daughter was having sex?
CairoGal:
I would buy her birth control pills so that she would be able to sleep with any man she wants and be equal to her brother so that we can be a fair society that give women the same rights as men since this is all we care about...equal access and same bragging rights....
"equal access and same bragging rights...."
Or in the very least, equality in hypocrisy. ;-) The idea that your daughter can bring you more shame for the same act committed by her brother (both religiously condemned)defines hypocrisy.
CairoGal,
I just said that I will give her the birth control pills happily........I dont know how to make you guys happy :-)
Come on, Sherif...I detected sarcasm in that. :-) I understand that you believe 'unsavory' behaviour should not be flaunted.
Sherif,
Sorry it took long to reply..
Anyway, the comment on men violating me was a random thought that crossed my mind while I was replying to your comments. It was not me sinking to low arguments.
I do not think that I was doing anything to make these men follow me. I was not giving off the whorish vibe. I was doing nothing. I still believe that they should never follow me, no matter what vibe I give.. but I guess that is another argument for another day.
I think physics 101 taught us that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. I cannot see the reaction by men being equal in any sense....
Anyway, I am not a whore. I do not act like a whore. And I personally think that the majority of men in Egypt are thinking with the wrong organ... so, until the majority of men make me feel otherwise I will still write and vent and probably generalize and use the word all.. I will be an unfair bitch and I am ok with that. I will make Egyptian men look like the sexually frustrated perverts that some of them are... until I feel otherwise.
Cairogal,
I love your comments.. the equal in hypocrisy statement is brilliant!
Thanks...
Gosh. I've been away too long.
Nora this blog is one of the best I've read. A lot of what has been discussed on these comments could apply to just about any culture and religion. Women are always the whores(I hate that word) and the men are always geting a pat on the back. I've simplified it I know but I'm sure all contributors will have an idea of what I mean.
Sherif - You should buy your daughter condoms as well at contraceptive pills. There are more things to worry about than a woman falling pregnant if she is sexually active. She should have the knowledge to protect herself.
I have 3 daughters and I hope that they will confide in me/feel they can talk to me about sex if they want to. I am not a super parent but I hope they know I wont judge them.
Wee babies come to this world sinless and pure in many religions. Too many people forget that.
The whole wide world is full of double standards and women are usually the ones judged to be "bad" especially when it comes to sexual matters.
Buzz:
Thanks for the compliment!
Sadly, it is true.. Women are more often than not viewed in a less favorable light then men..
I wonder how long before we are able to change that....
Things wont change in my lifetime. They may appear to have changed on the surface but scratch it and all the bias and age old prejudices will still be there.
C'est la vie
hang out with better people.
great post, i agree with forsooth :)
Thanks N
Yeah.. I think I am hanging out with better people.
But, in this post I think I was talking about being judged bt people I do not know well..
Misjudgements rarely come from the people who know you well...
I have spent the last decade asking such questions and I just realized that this society will suck you in its mazes without giving you any answers.
Marwa,
Excellent comment..
I agree...
I have been stuck in mazes and have found no answers!
:o)
i am going through the posts Nora...lets see how it works out talking to you people
Yogesh,
Well, I hope you enjoy going through the posts...
Not quite sure what you mean by seeing how talking to "us" people works out...
it's really nice to read the posts and the comments put forth by all...and came to know the views of all. i am interested and very keen in knowing things in life and always look forward to learn more and more, and i am glad to say, i like the company of you all.
Nora...
Its a male chauvenistic society...no matter we think that both men and women and equal...but when it comes to certain things like virginity as you said in your post...people tend to be orthodox...they don't want to come out of the shell, they protray things what they presume for them to be good, but are not able to digest when it's vice versa...so don't worry for even if the society says no to certain things...
when we say we have rights...and the same lead to having some pleasure...how it can be said to be whorish or being prostitute...
society no matter comprise of us only...but then is it really wise to stop someone from having some pleasure in life...and antagonizing girls with a stigma saying they are not virgin???
wat do you think abt it???
Yogesh,
Of course it is a male chauvenist society. Women are not allowed to even know or understand anything related to sex in mainstream society. Yesterday I was out.. and a man started masturbating. When I caused a scene.. people seemed to think I was wrong for understanding what he was doing.. and for talking about it to try to get someone to make him stop.
He masterbates in public.. but still I am the whore. It is sick!
Anyway, I did not understand the part about having rights that lead to pleasure... Sorry, I am still kinda asleep and the mind is not working yet.
I also do not think that people should be deprived of anything.. be it pleasure or freedoms or whatever. Why deprive people of things.. it doesn't make sense to me.
Hi Nora...
Firstly let me have the pleasure of Wishing you on the auspicious Christmas, which will always bring Happiness in your life...May all your dreams come true...and I am glad to have a friend like you.....
Hi Nora...
What I mean't by rights which lead to pleasure is..every humanbeing has his/her own life...and curtailing them isn't good enough...people think and presume that women should act according to their whims and fancies...but whether thats correct?? don't girls have right to have pleasure...how it becomes whorish??? how right is it to say that any such act which girls does...fall within the ambit of being prostitute...i second to what you say...there are so many things which are to be explored..which are hidden, which the society has always tried to obscure...whether its proper...why always be put at place that they are not entitled to know things...that they are not entitled to learn things...be it sex or anything else...
You quoted the incidence...would you elaborate more...cause you said
(When I caused a scene.. people seemed to think I was wrong for understanding what he was doing.. and for talking about it to try to get someone to make him stop.
He masterbates in public.. but still I am the whore. It is sick!)
When he started masterbating I called the parking lot guys over and told them to handle it. They told me he is not doing anything.
So, I said yeah he was.. and explained what he was doing.
They looked at me like it was not proper of me to say what he was doing. They looked at me like I was at fault for talking about these things which should not be spoken about.
Hi Nora...
As I told you...try to get into the mind of that person what he must be thinking while he was looking at you...which made him go ahead and he started mastrubating right infront of you...
When you informed the parking guys, things were over...which helped him escape the plight of being caught...
You having told the parking guys...they thought you were implicating someone...
World is different now a days Nora...
Thats why I said...try to see the other side of the coin...while he was in that position...
I do not care what was going through his mind as he did that. There is no justifiable reason for a person to do that.. or to subject me to that.
When I told the parking lot guys things were not over. I told them as soon as I saw. I do not have to be quiet and just hope that someone catches him. And when I told them.. I was implicating someone... I was implicating the masterbating freak!!!!
Now, to me there is no other side to that coin.
The other side of coin is SICKNESS...Mental sickness, which is very much prevailing now a days Nora...this is what I wanted to convey...the act which that person did was and is not to be acted upon by a normal human being...
Thats why I said that now a days, respect as regards women is diminishing now a days...
Though I havn't visited much of the countries, but the profession which I practice makes me meet hell of people where in not only perverts come into picture...but as well there are people who are very sober, very decent...
The act you did by informing the guys was not wrong...but the society which is prevalent, doesn't expect any such thing from women...
Thats why, though I am a man, I said, its a male chouvenist society...here people tend to curb women and their aspirations...which is extremely wrong...
I always look forward to be people who are caring...and have enthusiazm and can't see such things which hamper the society...but Nora...see to that such things should not disturb you...we have to fight against such evil things...
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